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02/03/12 16:32
paulh50
paulh50
Right now, the Middle East is about to Explode into Chaos. The Egypting Military is resisting the giving up power to the elected officials for the reason they don't want to give up the power and they don't want Shira Law.

Syria had killed and estimated 5900 people during the last 10 months of protest and that's unconfrimed. It's believed to be higher and the power transfer in Yemen is being screwed up, again.

And, now, the Obama Administration let's it leak that Israel was thinking of bombing Irans Nuclear Facility and that a war of Hamas/Hezbolah and Isreal might break out.

I have no idea of what is going on in Obama's mind but he certianlly doesn't have a brain. If a war breaks out in the Middle East the U.S. will support Israel. The people of the United States and those in Congress and Senate would demand action of the President.
 
02/04/12 07:33
Michael2015
Michael2015
Iran is just a 'paper tiger' as the first time they face the US Navy & get their nose bloodied, they'll turn tail & run! Iran is just the 'school-yard bully' & wannabe tuff of the Arab world. Iran has never faced a world-class navy until they meet the US Navy! Iran is like Obama...full of hot air, big talk, & do nothing!
 
02/05/12 22:07
HornyHacker
HornyHacker
No offense but the attitude towards Iran not only is what got us into trouble in Vietnam but also is why so much of the outside world views the U.S. as arrogant. Better technology and better trained troops is not a guarantee of a swift victory and Afghanistan was/is proof of that.

What Obama said may be perceived as stupid but he is not stupid the way George W. was stupid. There's a good chance that Obama said what he said on purpose. It's Politics and likely has another level of meaning and we may never know about that other level. Perhaps it was to incite a large-scale war in the Middle East. Perhaps it was a cautionary warning.

Know this, it doesn't matter one bit if the next president is a Democrat or Republican. America will find itself still involved in a war somewhere and don't be surprised if we start having little "skirmishes" with China in order to see what they have and react militarily but also to allow our Military to try out our high tech stuff (drones, guided bullets, etc.). Finally, America needs wars to justify the Defense Budget otherwise that money would go to waste on Education, Health, Infrastructure...and Big Business says No! to that.

Know this as well, America lives for war. It drives many of the big corporations and they'll be damned if they're going to sacrifice profits for Peace. Ain't gonna happen. Peace would mean layoffs of thousands of American jobs and you wouldn't want that happening, would you? Can you imagine the Defense Industry outsourcing to China as we prepare for war with China? (Bad example since it's already true.)
 
02/05/12 23:41
luli123
luli123
Very well stated HornyHacker!
A lot of wisdom for a 23 years old guy. ;)

After having been observing and studying US foreign policy especially since 1998 when I worked in (former) Yugoslavia, I have come to the conclusion that US foreign policy generally does not solve world problems or stand for good values (freedom, democracy, human rights, welfare, etc.) but that it is the reason for a lot of problems. This nation needs conflicts, they are an important part of its self-understanding and economic interests.

As we are talking about Iran. It is very interesting having a look on the history of this great country after 1945, when democracy was brought down there by the US and the Brits in favour of a control of Iran's local oil reserves.

To Michael2015:
My grandfather who fought in two world wars told me once:
"The only thing at which the Americans are good is bombing."

The more asymmetric a "war" becomes the more helpless they are.

Quite a nice link here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States
 
02/06/12 07:58
Michael2015
Michael2015
quote luli123 :
Very well stated HornyHacker!
A lot of wisdom for a 23 years old guy. ;)

After having been observing and studying US foreign policy especially since 1998 when I worked in (former) Yugoslavia, I have come to the conclusion that US foreign policy generally does not solve world problems or stand for good values (freedom, democracy, human rights, welfare, etc.) but that it is the reason for a lot of problems. This nation needs conflicts, they are an important part of its self-understanding and economic interests.

As we are talking about Iran. It is very interesting having a look on the history of this great country after 1945, when democracy was brought down there by the US and the Brits in favour of a control of Iran's local oil reserves.

To Michael2015:
My grandfather who fought in two world wars told me once:
"The only thing at which the Americans are good is bombing."

The more asymmetric a "war" becomes the more helpless they are.

Quite a nice link here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States


Lulli, since Ure a 'kno-it-all liberal, why are'nt U President of the USA? Oh, that's rite...U're hiding in Thailand where U do ALL of Ur USA-bashing!
 
02/06/12 15:19
paulh50
paulh50
I though every history book in the World carried a list of the Imperialist American War Machine. If it wasn't for the United States of America getting involved in other people's wars the world would be a much different place. Let's see, Europe would be speaking German or Russian. Most of Asia would be speaking Japanese. Yeah, let's keep America in their own yard and fuck the rest of the world.
 
02/07/12 04:36
Naughty Kitty
Naughty Kitty
I will never say I agree with many things the usa does.......but luli123 is a very double standard person. He will point out anything he dont believe in in other people lives but he himself will lie, cheat and steal based on journalism to write a story. He even tried to get me to write admin and try to make a meeting cause he luli123 told me this site was really a child sex ring from India.....know do you really think that is true? His friend or other profile tony even tried to make me think they were doing this for the police. These style men love Thailand cause most of us girls believe this kind of poppycock when men like them do this.

This goes much to my point I write here a long time ago. Journalist and media have in the last 20 years be the biggest downfall of the world. Very few of them anymore if any think about the responsibility for what they do. I am not so sure more innocent people have not been harmed or killed by journalist actions than by our world governments. They prey like wolves but with a blind eye to themself.

I not saying to give up freedom. but freedom come only with great responsibility and sacrifice. The very things media has fogotten and freedom for them has just become a blanket to justify doing wrong.

if your son called his mom a whore would you censor him? I certainly hope you would and you did not take away of his freedom. you just made him responsible.


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02/07/12 09:13
Michael2015
Michael2015
If it was'nt for America kicking Germany's ass in WW2, we'd ALL B speaking German & goose-stepping to Hitler's every whim! I guess that German communist, Luli, obviously forgets that! No country is 100 % rite ALL the time, but when was the LAST time Germany was a world leader rather than a some time follower?
 
02/07/12 09:33
dohm
dohm
Personally, I'm inclined to agree with the opinion of HornyHacker, no matter who he is. At least he have pictured most of my personal thoughts and articulated my opinions of the US actions now of my mature age. No offense please for the sake of democratic discussions!

However, I still believe in the sincerity of the US to solve international problems especially concerning genuine international peace. Why? They have been once our ally and tutor (not colonizers) during World War II against Imperial Japan (Asia) and the Axis Forces of Hitler (the rest of the world) and they have demonstrated their sincerity when they are not directly involved in war supposed to be but just to cut the evil acts of Hitler massacring millions of people he hates much on earth like the Jews (whom he was maybe informed as the chosen people of God, biblically) at the same time with his ambition of ruling the world to advance his personal agrandisement along with his promotion of his Aryan race (according to history) that time! Well, Gen. Douglas MacArthur, an American, promised to the Filipinos " I shall return" when we we were defeated by the aggressor Japanese Imperial Army and indeed he returned after 3 years with complete forces to subdue the occupying and abusive Japanese Imperial Army in my country. About the Austrian turned German HITLER, to remind everybody lest we forgot, he committed suicide when he failed with his ambitions of ruling most of the world, after his unimaginable unkindness and cruelty to mankind and, his doom is at hand from the hands of the enemies (Allied Forces) including Russians who wants his head most in his own turf Berlin, Germany (according to history).

The US nowadays maybe castigated with their moves since they are now the current superpower but far from that of Hitler's agenda and characteristics instead, what's happening now is just a miscalculated political or business agenda of the sitting president or any of the previous presidents of the US. Thank you.


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02/07/12 14:41
Michael2015
Michael2015
Why is it that good-hearted America literally spends more $ helping OTHER countries when they have natural disasters, but these SAME countries DON'T offer assistance to America? I say fuck EVERY country that's NOT our friend & ally! Who needs these dead-beats & johnny-come-lately wannabe friends? America needs to with-hold all monetary aid to these blood-sucking, asshole countries that spit on us & tell them to fuck themseles & the horse they rode into town on! I get tired of hearing asshole SEA members that don't kno shit from shineola rag on America! Fuck em!
 
02/07/12 21:03
luli123
luli123
quote Michael2015 :
Why is it that good-hearted America literally spends more $ helping OTHER countries when they have natural disasters, but these SAME countries DON'T offer assistance to America? I say fuck EVERY country that's NOT our friend & ally! Who needs these dead-beats & johnny-come-lately wannabe friends? America needs to with-hold all monetary aid to these blood-sucking, asshole countries that spit on us & tell them to fuck themseles & the horse they rode into town on! I get tired of hearing asshole SEA members that don't kno shit from shineola rag on America! Fuck em!

Foreign Aid: USA is Stingiest of the 22 Most Developed Countries

The USA claims to be, in absolute terms, the world's biggest giver and this is true. However, as a proportion of its wealth the USA gives least when compared to all 22 of the worlds' most developed countries.

“[Americans] are regularly told by politicians and the media, that America is the world's most generous nation. This is one of the most conventional pieces of 'knowledgeable ignorance'. [...For example Japan gives more even in absolute terms...]

Absolute figures are less significant than the proportion of gross domestic product (GDP, or national wealth) that a country devotes to foreign aid. On that league table, the US ranks twenty-second of the 22 most developed nations. As former President Jimmy Carter commented: 'We are the stingiest nation of all'. Denmark is top of the table, giving 1.01% of GDP, while the US manages just 0.1%. The United Nations has long established the target of 0.7% GDP for development assistance, although only four countries actually achieve this: Denmark, 1.01%; Norway, 0.91%; the Netherlands, 0.79%; Sweden, 0.7%. Apart from being the least generous nation, the US is highly selective in who receives its aid. Over 50% of its aid budget is spent on middle-income countries in the Middle East, with Israel being the recipient of the largest single share."

"Why do people hate America?" by Sardar & Davies (2002)27

Not only that, but according to one source cited by Sarder & Davies, 80% of that aid itself actually goes to American companies in those foreign countries.

Full details: "United States of America: Foreign Aid" by Vexen Crabtree (2003)
 
02/07/12 22:00
luli123
luli123
By the way, during this week there is an Iranian - Thai Cultural Week which might be interesting for persons staying in Bangkok.

For more info, please see h e r e.
 
02/08/12 07:26
luli123
luli123
quote Michael2015 :
If it was'nt for America kicking Germany's ass in WW2, we'd ALL B speaking German & goose-stepping to Hitler's every whim! I guess that German communist, Luli, obviously forgets that! No country is 100 % rite ALL the time, but when was the LAST time Germany was a world leader rather than a some time follower?

World War 2: America is self glorifying?

I would rarely consider this a point of hatred, but it is enough to cause many Europeans to verbally attack USA over its own opinion on its activities during World War 2. People curse, shout and argue at great lengths with seemingly unmovable Americans, and complain bitterly that America's late arrival in the war is not something they should boast about.

It continues, for example, in the film Saving Private Ryan (based on a true story of a British expedition to rescue British prisoners), where an all-American ground force takes on Germany; whereas America sent very few soldiers into war. America only began to send men into the war against Japan after Pearl Harbour, and the numbers and aid that America put into the world are pale in comparison to the massive war efforts conducted by Russia (who crushed Germany with 20 millions of ground troops), France (for its bitter, endless and determined self defence) and the UK. The UK's air force and special forces were consistently very brave and effective (even though some of ground invasions of Germen held territory were ludicrously ill fated).

America did supply vast amounts of material goods, but it did not throw itself, or its soldiers, into combat wholeheartedly. America's most consistent aid was against the Japanese, and not until Japan attacked America directly, and even then America eventually resorted to the massively indiscriminate nuclear bombs rather than "waste" men on resolute Japan.

The USA appears to be very self-glorifying, and there are multiple generations in the UK, France and Europe who upset and angry at America's rewriting of history. Russia's men, France's entire population, and UK's air force, were the principal opponents of Germany, aided by American equipment (which for example was loaned and leased to the USSR, not merely given), for which the allies were grateful, but not tricked that the USA did not have its own interests at heart, like all countries in the ideologically-charged political atmosphere of the time. USAs entry to the war was forced, not chosen, their motives were self-defence not world-wide good such as was the case with UK, and their effort was slow and half-hearted, public opinion only turned in favour of the war at a very late date.

“In his war memoirs Churchill boasted that only in July 1944 did the British Empire yield to the United States in the number of divisions engaging the enemy. [...]The British and the American effort was dwarfed by the Soviets, who were then engaging about 70 per cent of all German divisions, something Churchill neglected entirely to mention.â€

Alex Danchev (1994) in the "Oxford History of the British Army (1994)

There is an element of misunderstanding here, as Europeans consider World War 2 to be principally France, Europe, UK (with late American aid), Russia versus Germany, mostly forgetting about Japan. Whereas many American's will rightly remember Pearl Harbour and the Japanese more prominently, and probably give the combat in the Indonesian islands and the Pacific more importance than Europeans do.

“The Soviet economy had suffered enormous devastation. [...] The death of an estimated 20 million [Soviets] is an index of the enormous costs of the war to the Soviets. Although the United States had suffered some 300,000 casualties, the ratio of Soviet to American war deaths was about seventy to one.â€

"American Foreign Policy" by Kegley & Wittkopf (1987)
The Final Truth is that without any of the allies, the war would have been lost. without material aid from the USA, Russia and the UK would have taken many more years to finally defeat Germany - if at all. USA bombers and UK fighters (Battle of Britain) were the only serious returns we made on Germany other than Russian ground forces. The much repeated phrase that "USA saved Europe" is very much untrue, and completely dismissive of the intense war that actually occurred far from the USA and for years without USA involvement. Russia saved Europe, so did the UK, so did France and the other allies... for any country to claim that it is more of a benefactor than the others is untrue and shows an emotionally disturbing lack of empathy. I would reckon that historically only the poor, suppressed Russian civilians and soldiers could claim to have saved anyone.
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02/08/12 10:12
dohm
dohm
quote luli123 :
quote Michael2015 :
If it was'nt for America kicking Germany's ass in WW2, we'd ALL B speaking German & goose-stepping to Hitler's every whim! I guess that German communist, Luli, obviously forgets that! No country is 100 % rite ALL the time, but when was the LAST time Germany was a world leader rather than a some time follower?

World War 2: America is self glorifying?

I would rarely consider this a point of hatred, but it is enough to cause many Europeans to verbally attack USA over its own opinion on its activities during World War 2. People curse, shout and argue at great lengths with seemingly unmovable Americans, and complain bitterly that America's late arrival in the war is not something they should boast about.

It continues, for example, in the film Saving Private Ryan (based on a true story of a British expedition to rescue British prisoners), where an all-American ground force takes on Germany; whereas America sent very few soldiers into war. America only began to send men into the war against Japan after Pearl Harbour, and the numbers and aid that America put into the world are pale in comparison to the massive war efforts conducted by Russia (who crushed Germany with 20 millions of ground troops), France (for its bitter, endless and determined self defence) and the UK. The UK's air force and special forces were consistently very brave and effective (even though some of ground invasions of Germen held territory were ludicrously ill fated).

America did supply vast amounts of material goods, but it did not throw itself, or its soldiers, into combat wholeheartedly. America's most consistent aid was against the Japanese, and not until Japan attacked America directly, and even then America eventually resorted to the massively indiscriminate nuclear bombs rather than "waste" men on resolute Japan.

The USA appears to be very self-glorifying, and there are multiple generations in the UK, France and Europe who upset and angry at America's rewriting of history. Russia's men, France's entire population, and UK's air force, were the principal opponents of Germany, aided by American equipment (which for example was loaned and leased to the USSR, not merely given), for which the allies were grateful, but not tricked that the USA did not have its own interests at heart, like all countries in the ideologically-charged political atmosphere of the time. USAs entry to the war was forced, not chosen, their motives were self-defence not world-wide good such as was the case with UK, and their effort was slow and half-hearted, public opinion only turned in favour of the war at a very late date.

“In his war memoirs Churchill boasted that only in July 1944 did the British Empire yield to the United States in the number of divisions engaging the enemy. [...]The British and the American effort was dwarfed by the Soviets, who were then engaging about 70 per cent of all German divisions, something Churchill neglected entirely to mention.â€

Alex Danchev (1994) in the "Oxford History of the British Army (1994)

There is an element of misunderstanding here, as Europeans consider World War 2 to be principally France, Europe, UK (with late American aid), Russia versus Germany, mostly forgetting about Japan. Whereas many American's will rightly remember Pearl Harbour and the Japanese more prominently, and probably give the combat in the Indonesian islands and the Pacific more importance than Europeans do.

“The Soviet economy had suffered enormous devastation. [...] The death of an estimated 20 million [Soviets] is an index of the enormous costs of the war to the Soviets. Although the United States had suffered some 300,000 casualties, the ratio of Soviet to American war deaths was about seventy to one.â€

"American Foreign Policy" by Kegley & Wittkopf (1987)
The Final Truth is that without any of the allies, the war would have been lost. without material aid from the USA, Russia and the UK would have taken many more years to finally defeat Germany - if at all. USA bombers and UK fighters (Battle of Britain) were the only serious returns we made on Germany other than Russian ground forces. The much repeated phrase that "USA saved Europe" is very much untrue, and completely dismissive of the intense war that actually occurred far from the USA and for years without USA involvement. Russia saved Europe, so did the UK, so did France and the other allies... for any country to claim that it is more of a benefactor than the others is untrue and shows an emotionally disturbing lack of empathy. I would reckon that historically only the poor, suppressed Russian civilians and soldiers could claim to have saved anyone.
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This is a good point Luli, I appreciate the research or knowledge plus the passion in it!
I personally agree with you on most points based on research, analysis and my own understanding.

However, I have to react on some points. It is true that the US is more aggressive in pinning Japan than Germany during world war II because of the Pearl Harbor event as maybe the case of revenge or any deeper motive. And as I have said in my earlier post, we Asians concerned have seen the sincerity of the US to recover and bail us out from the enemy, Japan. In the Europe scenario as you've elaborated so well, please understand that France were already occupied by the German invading forces and they have already entered Russian territory waiting for a final push to take over. Simultaneously, they are bombarding the UK on air since they could not get through with the English Channel due to the more superior English navy than the Germans (as like the case of Napoleon Bonaparte). The English Channel which serves as their natural defense has been the saving grace of the UK in past invasion attempts plus their superior navy.

It is understood and natural that the countries in trouble have to exhaust all their efforts and resources to be free or to avoid full German invasion and occupation of their land. The US US may not exert so much effort directly in Europe since she is far away from being occupied by Germans and they have the luxury of implementing whatever is their priority. France, Russia and UK are not to be compared with the US during the WORLD War II efforts and interests in Europe. According to history aided by analysis, the sinking of the British Queen Victoria (correct me if I'm wrong) luxury ship by the Germans, carrying Americans facilitated the convincing of the US in joining the war at large by these beleguered Europian countries and some other affected countries, instead of just pinning Japan who bomed Pearl Harbor in a treachery act. Yet their were hints later that the sinking of Victoria Cruise Ship was tolerated just to entice US into the war since these Europian countries needs the superpower of the US to join in order to defeat the enormous war armaments of Hitler.

World War II ended due to the collective efforts of all the Allied Forces ending the evil ambitions of this Austrian turned German Hitler. Nobody could single-handedly claim it is because of them and blaming or credit-grabbing is immaterial at this point in time. It is just good that if not because of these collective action, Europe and the rest of the world were forced to speak German and doing the Hitler salute to every official they meet on their way!


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02/08/12 11:26
Michael2015
Michael2015
Luli, U still did'nt offer ANY reasson why Ur Germany can't/won't offer monetary aid to either America or other countries during natural disasters.. BTW, U conveniently forget the USA bailed-out Berlin during the Berlin Airlift or else Ur Geman masses would've starved. U can bash America all U like, but the reality is that America helps more countries.

BTW, Luli, since U've convinced Urself that U're allways rite about everything & the rest of the entire world is wrong on everything, I no longer will induge Ur fantasy. I don't waste my time w/kno-it-all, timewasters, big talkers, & fools!
 

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