East European pros flocking in Thailand
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03/01/10 06:56
luli123 |
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Hm, I am not quite sure, if I get your point.
Thailand as a destination for sex tourism is booming, because of an attractive cost situation for westerners. Furthermore the country is relatively safe, hostile and has a good infrastructure for spending holidays. It is a billions of Baht business, not necessarily for the ladies. There is much more money made than in drug business. On the one hand there are the ladies from the North and North East less or more trafficked to work in establishments for local Thai men on the one side or for visitors on the other side. This industry is a good chance for them to make enough money to run or support their families in remote areas. As they send money home, nobody wants to know where the money comes from. The fact that they support, as good daughters, the family ("breast milk money") makes them feeling better, although they would never choose this business, if they had an alternative. It is not a free decision for them getting nailed about 15 times per day by different persons in a brothel. On the other hand is it so much different with regards to the so called independent escorts? The motivation generally is equal, - making money. The breast milk money idea also exists. There are ladies having quite a good education, but no chance making a reasonable salary with this education. Especially for women salaries are too low in amazing Thailand, what makes escort business attractive for them. Escorting gives them a certain economic, social and emotional freedom (not a phrase, only). It is bad gossip among idiots that Thai ladies are made or born for being prostitutes! Mafia in Thailand... Let us better say "organized criminality". It is very heterogeneous. There are the Thai groups, including parts of police itself and parts of the army. Then there are the Japanese, Chinese and the Russians. More and more there are groups from western European countries. Furthermore there are "small business pimps", more and more farangs who want to have an easy life in Thailand by sending their Thai girl friend(s) working as an escort are by managing an escort agency. Have a careful look on escort ads and advertising, then you will easily find out behind which escort a Farang hedonist "supports". The fields on which the criminal groups are active are local prostitution, human trafficking, drugs, weapons and some other fields. Human trafficking is a profitable business, importing fresh flesh to Thailand or exporting Thai flesh to Japan, Singapore, Europe or North America. The women trafficked to Japan are meanwhile extremely young. I disagree, that this is only for taking advantage of men with less money. There are extreme expensive establishments and branches which are in the hand of "organized criminality". All this is possible, because of the weakness of Thai society! There are 100,000 male and 700,000 female prostitutes while there are 300,000 Buddhist monks. The figure shows 40-80% of the prostitutes end up with AIDS. Crime, drugs and alcohol abuse are widespread. Corruptions in government, military and police massive networks have protected the sex trade, drug network, crime syndicates and ecological degradation of the country. The middle and upper classes in Bangkok are educated, wealthy and very materialistic. Children are in crisis of being severely abused. Children can be terribly abused and sold into prostitution at very young age, about 35,000 are homeless and 5 million are being tortured in child labour. |
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03/02/10 01:19
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I wish I could answer some of it more but I can say it very interesting how men choose to believe what they want to believe. These reports you read or studies are done by who? People thai or other interviewing thai girls? I always find it very interesting how people who have never lived one days inside this world want to teach me all about it. very interesting so much. I have studies at some of the univerities that talk about this and in real they know no more than you.
things I can talk about is village from north and northeast know exactly where the money is coming from. The goal is to get as many man to come to her village as possible in one year and they all play he is the only man to ever come. Most of them will send money every month and if they are lucky one will build a house. SO many have bought houses they have never see the girl again. If she is lucky again they will use another in family poor house to visit when next man come and maybe he will buy one to. Everybody in the village know EXACTLY where the money comes from. This part have nothng to do with mafia but these men are not rich either. Rich men do not fall for this. These are men who need to be some thng they are not or dream soem thng about a girl they cant have in they own country. Bill Gates does not have sex with thai girls becasue it is the right thing to do to help their family but loney men or men missing some thing in their life do. Men who save they money all year to come here act liek he rich or spend his retirement money to build a house he will likey never step in. As for farang having his GF sell sex I hope he do. Yes maybe police look the other way for BIG business but not for this. Get caught one time and the farang will be sent out of thailand and never get a visa here again. Ask Chris and Duang. He was farang and had swinger parties. ONE GIRL got angry and turn him in and where is he now? KICKED OUT OF THAILAND. If I knwo a farang is doing this I will turn him in myself. And my point is right again. these too are not men with money. These little fish make police look good and it will be well advertised here when they are sent home and black list to come here again. mafia love these guys thank you for your help. to end where I started even more ridiculous is the ex military who sit in pattaya bars and then claim he know the inside world. -------------------- Do you want your balls in my hand or do you want me to hand you your balls?
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03/02/10 18:42
meriposa |
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Excellent post Kitty (as always - well, most of the time).
It should be read by all the farang guys coming to Thailand. But I think - It wouldn't make any difference. As you said men choose to believe what they believe in and no amount reasoning will change that. |
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03/03/10 00:33
Naughty Kitty |
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quote meriposa : Excellent post Kitty (as always - well, most of the time). It should be read by all the farang guys coming to Thailand. But I think - It wouldn't make any difference. As you said men choose to believe what they believe in and no amount reasoning will change that. it not my intention to insult anybody. I make my life as escort but I dont do it by making men think I love them. I can give great GF expereince and can have fun very much so when together with men. Men who want to take care of all up front and then just relax and not worry if he is being played or not. I can understand how a caring man would get caught up when a beautiful girl tells of a sad life and I never do that. But the men who do and have been burned need to take responsibility and personal inventory and ask themself would this girl love me if I had nothing to give her but my love? By all means if you have money to throw away do it cause you are helping people. But if you sacrafice and not paying your bills for a dream that is too good to be true I can promise it is not. -------------------- Do you want your balls in my hand or do you want me to hand you your balls?
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03/07/10 13:39
Doc77 |
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Kitty, can I help you write a book! Wow! This is priceless stuff. As a Farang, I can confirm that I am naive and it seems I learn more every time I hear from you. At least I recognize that I do not have your insight.
-------------------- Doc77
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03/07/10 19:16
Naughty Kitty |
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quote Doc77 : Kitty, can I help you write a book! Wow! This is priceless stuff. As a Farang, I can confirm that I am naive and it seems I learn more every time I hear from you. At least I recognize that I do not have your insight. YOu are the 4th or 5th man to ask me write a book. One professor here said it would be garuntee to make money. But Thailand would not like this book cause to them it make us look bad. I beleive I would get in trouble even if the book 100% true. -------------------- Do you want your balls in my hand or do you want me to hand you your balls?
-2 hours 5000 baht *lunch or dinner + 2 hours 5000 baht -4 hour 6, 500 *lunch or dinner + 4 hours 6500 baht -all day OR all night 8500 baht - 24 hour 12000 *more than 1 day 10,000 baht per day www.gappza.me |
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03/07/10 19:27
Naughty Kitty |
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This is not about you Doc but I want to say.
- If you visit to the grand Canyon in USA many times does it make you know more then a park ranger live there. - If you touch the Blarney Stone in Ireland are now an expert and can teach the Irish their country? - If you sit in cafe in France eating snails do you now know all there is about France? - IF you read a book on Israel does that mean when you go there you know all there is to know? if any of these questions is no then please tell me so many men come here sit in a bar or talk to ther buddies, or read on the net and then knwo my world more then I do? -------------------- Do you want your balls in my hand or do you want me to hand you your balls?
-2 hours 5000 baht *lunch or dinner + 2 hours 5000 baht -4 hour 6, 500 *lunch or dinner + 4 hours 6500 baht -all day OR all night 8500 baht - 24 hour 12000 *more than 1 day 10,000 baht per day www.gappza.me |
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03/07/10 21:35
Doc77 |
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quote Naughty Kitty : quote Doc77 : Kitty, can I help you write a book! Wow! This is priceless stuff. As a Farang, I can confirm that I am naive and it seems I learn more every time I hear from you. At least I recognize that I do not have your insight. YOu are the 4th or 5th man to ask me write a book. One professor here said it would be garuntee to make money. But Thailand would not like this book cause to them it make us look bad. I beleive I would get in trouble even if the book 100% true. Of course I was only joking. I would not know the second thing about writing a book. The point is how much I am impressed by what you have learned, and appreciative of how much I keep learning from you. -------------------- Doc77
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03/08/10 04:59
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quote Naughty Kitty : This is not about you Doc but I want to say. - If you visit to the grand Canyon in USA many times does it make you know more then a park ranger live there. - If you touch the Blarney Stone in Ireland are now an expert and can teach the Irish their country? - If you sit in cafe in France eating snails do you now know all there is about France? - IF you read a book on Israel does that mean when you go there you know all there is to know? if any of these questions is no then please tell me so many men come here sit in a bar or talk to ther buddies, or read on the net and then knwo my world more then I do? Kitty, you are an impressive person and you even get it making me to reflect about your argumentation, although it is not new to me. In a certain way your reaction is usual for a lot of Thai persons, whom I have had the pleasure to meet and to talk to. But what is qualifying you to proclaim for yourself being right? - You are Thai and you are born here; - I guess you have visited Thai schools making you being a product of Thai school system; - You live your life may be keeping your eyes more open than a lot of other Thai persons; - You are an independent escort woman; You tend not to allow non Thai persons having a critical opinion about things in Thailand. It is equal to my government in China. In its opinion China is Chinese business. But if other countries accepted this rule, nothing would improve on the field of human rights and freedom and welfare for the big majority of Chinese persons. Is Afghanistan business of the Talibans and local war lords, only? Should the USA and their allies there leave the country at once, because they cannot understand the situation as non born Afghan persons? You presume, that foreigners are not qualified or allowed discussing these things. Well, why not? What if persons publishing informations receive these informations from (Thai) persons who are more involved in these things than you can imagine? What if these persons have been working on such a matter for years, already? What if these persons spend more time and energy on these topics than you do, because it is their business? Finally, there are really Thai persons complaining by writing books and assessments. A friend of mine, she is a born Thai lady, often asks rhetorically: "How can Thai society improve, if we do not allow criticism and presume, that we and everything is great per definition?" May be, it is not absurd, when you start to write down your ideas. How can you know, that Thailand would not like your book? Who is Thailand in your understanding? I am open to learn from you. Take care Karen |
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03/08/10 07:47
Naughty Kitty |
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quote KarenHON : quote Naughty Kitty : This is not about you Doc but I want to say. - If you visit to the grand Canyon in USA many times does it make you know more then a park ranger live there. - If you touch the Blarney Stone in Ireland are now an expert and can teach the Irish their country? - If you sit in cafe in France eating snails do you now know all there is about France? - IF you read a book on Israel does that mean when you go there you know all there is to know? if any of these questions is no then please tell me so many men come here sit in a bar or talk to ther buddies, or read on the net and then knwo my world more then I do? Kitty, you are an impressive person and you even get it making me to reflect about your argumentation, although it is not new to me. In a certain way your reaction is usual for a lot of Thai persons, whom I have had the pleasure to meet and to talk to. But what is qualifying you to proclaim for yourself being right? - You are Thai and you are born here; - I guess you have visited Thai schools making you being a product of Thai school system; - You live your life may be keeping your eyes more open than a lot of other Thai persons; - You are an independent escort woman; You tend not to allow non Thai persons having a critical opinion about things in Thailand. It is equal to my government in China. In its opinion China is Chinese business. But if other countries accepted this rule, nothing would improve on the field of human rights and freedom and welfare for the big majority of Chinese persons. Is Afghanistan business of the Talibans and local war lords, only? Should the USA and their allies there leave the country at once, because they cannot understand the situation as non born Afghan persons? You presume, that foreigners are not qualified or allowed discussing these things. Well, why not? What if persons publishing informations receive these informations from (Thai) persons who are more involved in these things than you can imagine? What if these persons have been working on such a matter for years, already? What if these persons spend more time and energy on these topics than you do, because it is their business? Finally, there are really Thai persons complaining by writing books and assessments. A friend of mine, she is a born Thai lady, often asks rhetorically: "How can Thai society improve, if we do not allow criticism and presume, that we and everything is great per definition?" May be, it is not absurd, when you start to write down your ideas. How can you know, that Thailand would not like your book? Who is Thailand in your understanding? I am open to learn from you. Take care Karen What people talk about is not what my own eye I see. You want to tell me these people make themself escort to see how it is? I hope you not believe that. the best they can do is interview and no one is going to tell you the real truth and what they do tell will be used based on how the person inviewing want. If I told an inteviewer I kicked a client in self defense they could well report I kicked and client. That is the truth but is a completly different meaning. Until you live this life I am sorry but you just dont know it. IF a former escort is going to tell half truths to make thier point they will and not tell the whole truth. When a women divorces her husband she remembers and tells every body what is bad and conveniently fails to remember any thing good cause it does not suit her purpose. I see it no different here. Or. If I tell you there a 50 more people who got jobs today I can say people are getting jobs but I left out a little fact 150 were layed off. In the end we all see what we want to see and the ONLY ones who know are the one who live it. I am not sure I understand what you say too. Are you saying if America decide to do soem thing it is always right? well I dont believe that. maybe they should not be in Afghanistan. NO matter how long they stay or how many they kill of the "bad" guy then day they eventually leave it will go back to the same. those with the biggest guns will boss. You cant make peope belive what you believe even if you kill them. Maybe different reason but the afghans did not let russians beat them who were much more powerful. I dont think the US is going to do any better. so in 10 years when it is all the same what did the us soldier die for? YOu really think in 10 years there will not be a new sadaam hussein in iraq? you really think Iran and north korea or going to change? you really think China is going to follow usa example? you cant force the word but the usa will destroy itself trying. Israel has fought all their life to live where they live and the minute they stop fighting some one will take it. unless the USA plans on fighing forever liek isreal they fight for nothng cause it will all be the same as before they come when they leave. Except alot of American family lose ther children. The only thing the usa can do it let these people fight each other like they have done for centuries and use intelligence to keep them fighting each other. The only thing the USA is doing know is making them united. I think it the USA saying united we stand devided we fall. well then keep them devided among themself. all you doing now is uniting them and giving them more resolve. Discussing some thing is one thing. telling me my country and trying to teach me the world I live in is not. I cant say all cause some will think I talk foolish but I can tell you I have met men. OLD OLD THai men who in one word can make people disappear. the real people make the money is not who you think. and not what some usa put on TV about sex industry. I tried one time to have girl work for me cause I think I can teach them better and many girl want to do it. One day I went to see a client and it was not a client and I was told clear but in nice way I will not do that. I was told I am a nice girl and I can work for them or I can do anything I want by myself but that it. I said ok and I was told any time I have problem with anybody come see them and they give me number. 100% if I wrote a book it would not be allowed in thailand and in some ways I understand why. NO matter how well some thing is written people will infer what they choose to infer. A country need to learn and grow at it own pace or it not real and going to stay. Why people want to assume their way is best for another? I dont see a world war now fighitng for your own democracy as well as your brothers. I see people saying you will accept this way or we will fight you to do it for you. Just dont seem the same to me. If China is going to change the chinese need to do it and not anybody else. If you dont change yourself then it will go right back when the enforcer leave cause that all you know as a people. Or are you going to put chinese with enforcer belief in charge. how long that going to last when the first difficult time come? YOU dont change people with laws that only control them untl they feel they strong enough to break them. YOU only change people who want to change themself and with their heart. Killing each others children in war will definitely not do it. Thailand is Thailand, China is China and the USA is the USA. I dont need China or the USA or any other to teach me how to live. Maybe we are all human but we ARE NOT all the same. no matter how much you want to you cant walk in my shoes and I cant walk in yours. The worst statement in the world is "I know how you feel". YOU dont unless you inside my life. no documentry from any country really know how it is cause we in it are not going to show it and if they did it before they have cross to bear now and is it real? or the real you want it to be? Most bar girls to this day dont wear condoms if the man insists and how many both other country and ours have tried to teach how dangerous it is? But they will tell you they use them cause they tired of smiling and listening to you. This just another in many example why you dont get the right information. You will never effective teach them only we can do it. you can only provide information and step back and hope but you cant control their lives even if it you think it is better for them. Spend you time on men and women that abuse children or men who rape. That alone is full time job for all of you. Until you find a pill to stop making men horny you are not going to stop adult sex and lies BOTH tell in the game. How do you take away the temptation of a man who would otherwise go his entire life and never have sex with a truely beautiful lady. YOU CANT! and no law will change it. YOU cant ask all to believe how you believe. on each end they are girls who get promised and hurt and they is men who lose all chasing a dream that he is to intelligent to belive but he still does. And, in the middle are men who come treat girls with respect and have honest exchange. Life has winners and it has losers you just try to do the best you can. when you try to control who winner or losing you might be surprised who your friends really are not.. -------------------- Do you want your balls in my hand or do you want me to hand you your balls?
-2 hours 5000 baht *lunch or dinner + 2 hours 5000 baht -4 hour 6, 500 *lunch or dinner + 4 hours 6500 baht -all day OR all night 8500 baht - 24 hour 12000 *more than 1 day 10,000 baht per day www.gappza.me |
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07/14/10 06:04
Lizard |
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East European ladies were seen with black men on street side cafes looking for customers. Most of them are from Uzbekistan, Ukraine, Georgia and other republics in former Soviet Union.
Man u have big problem with geography, if you call those countries for a East Europe.. And what the hell you know about Russian mafia.. ?? I can tell much more about English people.. |
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