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"Thank God for dead soldiers"
paulh50
11/06/07 11:44
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ALEX COMINGUEZ, AP writer Nov 1

Members of a fundamentalist Kansas church ordered to pay nearly $11 million in damages to a grieving father smiled as they walked out the courtroom, vowing that the verdict would not deter them from protesting at military funerals.

Members promised to picket future funerals with placards bearing such slogans as "Thank God for dead soldiers" and "God hates fags."

Absolutely, don't you understand this was an act in futility?" said Shirley Phelps-Roper, whose father founded the Westboro Baptist Church.

The group believes that U.S. deaths in the Iraq war are punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. They say they are entitled to protest at funerals under the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of speech and religion.

Albert Synder sued the Topeka, Kan., church after a protest last year at the funeral of his son, Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, who was killed in Iraq. He claimed the protests intruded upon what should have been a private ceremony and sulllied his memory of the event.

A jury agreed. On Wednesday, the churh and three of its leaders- Fred Phelps and his two daughter, Phelps-Roper and Rebekah Phelps-Davis- were found liable for invasion of privacy and the intent to inflict emotional distress. Jurors awarded Synder $2.9 million in compensatory damages and $8 million in punitive damages.

Synder, of York, PA., said he hoped other families would consider suing.

"The goal wasn't about the money, it was to set a precedent so other people could do the same thing," he said.

Appearing on NBC's "Today" show Thursday, Synder said that while his son was fighting for freedom of the Iraqis, "my son did not fight for hate speech.

"And that's basically what it is," he said of the church's protest. "Everybody's under the impression that the First Amendment gives the right to do anything, say anything any where, any time. And along with the First Amendment also comes responsibility."

Synder said that on the day of the funeral, he didn't see the protesters or their signs, only the tops of the signs. "But a lot of people at the church did see it," he said. "And it was splattered all over the newspapers the next day."

It's unclear whether Snyder will be able to collect the damages.

The assets of the churdh and the defendants are less than a million dollars, mainly in home, cars and retirement account, defense attorney Jonathan Katz said. The church has about 75 members and is funded by tithing.

Craig Trebilcok, one of Snyder's lawyers, had asked jurors to question the truthfulness of the defendant's financial documents, one of which show Phelps-Davis having only $306 in the bank. He noted that Phelps-Davis is a practicing attorney, who could afforted to trave to spread the church's message.

"Rebekan Phelps-Davis has $306? She muct be using Priceline.com. It dosen't make any sense," Trebilcock said.

The attorney had urged jurors to award damages that would send a message to the church: "Do not bring your circus of hate to Maryland, again."

Trebilcock later called the verdict "Judgement Day for the Westboro Baptist Church."

"They're always talking about other people's Judgment Day. Well, this is thiers," he said.

Snyder sobbed when he heard the verdict, while members of the churc greeted the news with tightlipped smiles.

They are confident the award will be overturned on appeal, Phelps said.

"Oh, it will take about five minutes to get that thing reversed," he said.

Another of Snyder's attorneys, Sean Summers, said he would tirelessly seek payment of the award. "We will chase them forever if it takes that long," he said.

A number of states have passed laws regarding funeral protests, and Congress has passed a law prohibiting such protests at federal cemeteries. Synder's lawsuit is believed to be the first filed by the family of a fallen serviceman.

End of article.

The press and politicians did nothing about this type of demonstrating, at funerals for Vietnam soldiers. We were spat on, called Baby killers and were in danger if we wore our uniforms in public.
 
paulh50
11/06/07 12:34
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As Mr. Synder said: "His son was not fighting for hate speech."

That's one of the reasons I replied to mydearme post of Why we pay providers the way I did.

My friends, my men and my Brother's In Arms fought, bled and died for Freedom and Free Speech. Not Hate Speech.
 
Warren
11/06/07 12:35
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Some people take freedom of speech too far, freedom of speech must come with responsibility. Nobody has a right to take someone else's rights away. That is not how free speech is supposed to work, there is no amendment saying we HAVE to be christian, or to follow their interpretation of christianity, besides there is a time and place to protest, and it is not at a funeral where our dead soldiers are being mourned...... Just to bring it up while i am at it, there are many non-christians fighting for America too, ranging from budhist, muslims, atheists, hindus, pagans, agnostics, I wonder how those jesus nazi's feel about non-Christian soldiers fighting in our military.
I mean if they want a theocracy so fucking bad why don't they move to Vatican City, Italy?
 
Warren
11/06/07 12:38
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Throughout history people have used religion as an excuse to limit other peoples' rights or to oppress minorities. Especially Christianity. And this is their so-called "superior morality". Things are no different today, theyr advocating shutting out all non-Christians and all gays/bi's. And they act like it's their RIGHT to fuck other people over.
 
paulh50
11/06/07 12:44
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If they want a Theocracy I suggest they move to Iran not the Vatican. At least you can walk out of the gate at Vatican City, if you want.
 
12pleaseu
11/08/07 18:17
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I was reading your posts and yes, I agree;sometimes people take things to the exteme and that's not what is intended for free speech. Some people let their emotions and feelings get too out of hand in free speech. Our society should be for everyone's benefit to build up each other and not tear one another down. It's quite sad that happens sometimes and I hope that one day all people will start to learn from their mistakes. I wish everyone a great day and evening!
Take Care&Kisses,
12pleaseu


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paulh50
11/09/07 01:47
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I mention mydearme here because of his first post.

He has since become a member who is posting good posts and has begun to post forums that are quite good.

Thanks for chaning, buddy!
 
12pleaseu
11/09/07 03:35
12pleaseu
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Yes, I saw that too. I agree he's doing much better and that's very good too.Have a great day and evening!
Take Care&Kisses,
12pleaseu


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I love to cum for you so much! I love to make you cum as much as you want!! Cum for me baby!
Travel all over SC and many other places national/international as long as travel and all is taken care of. Look forward to cumming with you soon!
 
nicebutt776
11/10/07 10:46
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IM PRAYING FOR PEACE TO ALL NATION..
 


 


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