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Forum - Zeitgeist

 
Zeitgeist
Jade4u
09/02/07 04:59
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331

It is kind of long. If you watch any part skip to part 3. There is 3 parts in total.
 
Kelli in Taos
09/03/07 13:01
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Hey Jade4u...great movie. You just got a vote from me :-) You might like some of the work of Jordan Maxwell (just video goggle his name), you hear his voice a couple times in Zeitgeist. He has been researching and lecturing on these topics for over 40 years. Also there's a website: www.usavsus.info that is very enlighting. Make sure to follow the link to the Wizard of Oz story. It's a lengthy site, but worth reading.
 
Warren
10/10/07 19:19
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I'm glad a few real intellectuals are on here. I get sick of all these wanna-be free thinkers who can't hack it so they just end up being blind liberal PC fanatics. I am neither liberal or conservative, because all those labels do is instigate shit and divide people. Libs are biased against majorities, cons are biased against minorities.
And, most Americans and people of "modern" nations have this ignorant idea that despite all the evidence in the news, in history books, and in other countries, "it will never happen to me". Theyr too ignorant to see the evidence right in front of their faces, and that's how the man wants it.
Being a high functioning autistic, I am already somewhat a black sheep in society as a result of ableism and anti-intellectualism, however, being a non-conformist, conscious, free thinker who actually gives a damn about right and wrong also seems to make me a black sheep.
Heads up, we're headed back to 1984. Only the strong will survive, but then again I'm not sure I'd want to survive on such a chaotic world.
 
Warren
10/10/07 21:31
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quote Kelli in Taos :
Hey Jade4u...great movie. You just got a vote from me :-) You might like some of the work of Jordan Maxwell (just video goggle his name), you hear his voice a couple times in Zeitgeist. He has been researching and lecturing on these topics for over 40 years. Also there's a website: www.usavsus.info that is very enlighting. Make sure to follow the link to the Wizard of Oz story. It's a lengthy site, but worth reading.


The main problem I had with this Maxwell guy is that he drinks the conservative kool aid way too much though. America is not a Christian first nation, America is supposed to be equal to all beliefs. America is no more or less a Christian nation than it is a Jewish nation, an atheist nation, a muslim nation, a hindu nation, a pagan nation, or a budhist nation. Even ---if--- (for argument's sake) America was initially a "Christian nation", some times amendments need to be made, laws need to be changed, America has always been about freedom and more recently equality. There is no reason a jew or a muslim or an atheist couldn't be just as good a president as a Christian.
It boggles my mind how these Christian conspiracy theorists seem to see Christians as the ones being persecuted, when in fact they are the ones DOING the persecution. It's almost like a german christian in the 1930's claiming that he is being oppressed by the jews.
I don't see hindu's hijacking a political party and picketing outside the super market to stop selling beef. Maybe because they realise that other people don't believe the same things they do? Maybe they respect our 1st amendment a little more?
 
Warren
10/10/07 21:55
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Unless of coarse I read over the article too quickly.... Because I've seen zeitgeist before, it goes into detailing how religion was created as a control mechanism on the minds of society. Which it is, stating this might make me some enemies, but organized dogmatic religions are nothing more than organized cults.
The bible has been used as justification for the Inquisition, war of the roses, slavery, the halucaust, the witch trials, more people have been killed in the name of Christ than any other figure throughout history. Science has long proven all the literal interpretation of organized mainstream religions wrong (as if common since wasn't enough, but most people are pack animals, they'll believe whatever others around them believe without question).
Perhaps one could legitimately --theorize-- that there is some truth to all the religions in the essence of UFO cover-ups, because this does remain a --possibility-- (as opposed to a fact).
But the fact remains, that breaking technology and new discoveries are often either hidden or dismissed because they go against this proven lie called religion. Right now we have the technology to stop hunger through cloning technology (by cloning live stock and vegetation), yet, the Vatican implores "playing god is wrong" (apparently ONLY when people besides themselves do it). So what do they do? Well they send missionaries into these starving nations to what basically amounts to waving a twinkie in starvn' Marvin's face constantly asking him "are you Christian yet".
Liberals are just as bad about this PC shit, which is nothing more than inverted bigotry and double standards. Reguardless what people think, both "liberal" and "conservative" leaders are playing on the same team, they are dividing the people (divide and conquor). As I stated before, liberals are biased against majorities, conservatives are biased against minorities. They both support large businesses which make fortunes off of the problems they create among the populace. Big business is taking over, and if America does not wake up, we will end up in a dictatorship of the ruling elite.
The trick to self realisation and consciousness is to question everything deeply, analyze, and do not be afraid to stand alone. Enter always with an open mind. Lets analyze an open mind, the opposite is ignorance, the root word of ignorance is "ignore". Most people ignore points or facts that go contrary to their "tribe" or "clique" mentality. Such structures need to be removed, so that you can see without bias.
Open minded doesn't always mean nice, we unfortunately don't live in that type of world. I agree with John Lenin's vision, but I disagree with how he proposed to get there, because sometimes (by sometimes I mean almost always) a bit of aggressiveness is needed in activism. Not necessarily violence, violence should be a last resort, a way of overcoming tyranny. But to give you an example of what I mean by"open minded isn't always being nice", lets use illegal immigration.
Illegal immigration is NOT a race issue, it is an economic issue. Reguardless of the color of their skin, I'm not agreeing to live in poverty and sacrifice my own financial well being to help them out. Illegal European immigrants are individually just as much part of the problem, illegal immigration not only lowers minimum wage, it opens our borders to crime. Think about it, thousands of unknowns come into the US border from Mexico every year. Among them are MS13, one of if not the leading pushers of human trafficking.... And I am "racist" for not agreeing that we should allow this?
Point is, sometimes being open minded means being willing to stand up rather than lie down. I understand the motives behind illegal Mexican immigration, and I feel for their situation. However, I liken it to this: If you wake up one morning and some homeless man is in your house, eating your food, taking your money, etc, are you gonna roll over and say "oh he's poor" and let him keep doing it? Or are you gonna look after your own needs first, meaning putting him out the door?
Because lets face it, the only way people will exist without national borders is if we have EVEN LARGER, EVEN MORE CORRUPT government. The "One World Nation" prophecied in the bible (although I sincerely believe that the Vatican is merely fulfilling it's own prophecies as a way to string the masses along for the ride, still the end times prophecies in the "bible" are a good indicator as to what you'll be seeing).
 


 


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